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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:24:14 -0700
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From: Ian Wiinikka <Wiinikka@SOVSET.ORG>
Subject: Re: Russian claims
Chechnya List Dialogue: Russian Claims
From: Ian Wiinikka <Wiinikka@SOVSET.ORG>
10 January 1995
What claims does Russia have to Chechnya? Plenty. The north Caucasus
region was brought under Russian control last century, after an extended
and bloody campaign. So Chechnya has been a part of Russia for over a
hundred years. During the Soviet era Russia was a part of the Soviet
Union, as were the other Soviet Socialist Republics. When the USSR broke
apart (and let's face it - Yeltsin was trying to lead the Russian
Federation out from under the Soviet aegis as much as any other Republic
leader), it did so along Republic borders. Chechnya was only an
autonomous republic within the Russian Federation, so it did not "rate"
its own independence.
Granted, the borders and their designations were made in an arbitrary
manner under the Soviet regime. Granted, the Chechens have sufferes
- sorry, suffered - mightily under the Russians and the Soviets.
Granted, Chechnya is pretty ethnically homogeneous and pretty united in
not wanting to remain in the Russian Federation anymore. But from a legal
standpoint (definitely not a moral standpoint) Russia can make a strong
claim for retaining Chechnya
There is also the oil issue at play in Chechnya. The Soviet pipeline
network's direct line to Baku runs through (or very near) Grozny. Were
the current Azeri negotiations with that Western Oil Consortium ever to
produce an agreement, that line becomes pretty darn important. The only
other route out of Baku would be through Iran and Turkey, the thought of
which makes many Western oilmen very uneasy.
But I think that the main problem arising from the Chechen situation is
the question of changing the borders of the Russian Federation. The
Chechens want to do it for ethnic reasons, and there are many in the
North Caucasus who may want to follow their lead. But if the precedent
for secession is set, others may want to go for other reasons. The
regions of Bashkortostan and Sakha-Yakutia have argued with Moscow over
what they see as unfair taxation; at times they have rumbled about
secession, also.
So far I've given examples of internal border changes. What about the
external possibilities? Russia and Japan have been at odds over the
Kuriles; once the precedent for redrawing the Russian border is set,
might the Japanese not use this in their arguments for regaining the
Islands? Nobody's talking about it as far as I can tell, but on the
Western end of Russia lies the Kaliningrad Oblast'. It's largely Russian
now, but as late as 1944 it was part of Germany.
And if the borders of Russia can be altered, making Russia smaller, might
they not be altered to make Russia larger? The northern and eastern
portion of Kazakhstan is dominated by ethnic Russians, and the Crimean
Peninsula is about 70% Russian (it was a part of the Russian Federation
until 1954). A change in Russia's borders making Russia smaller risks
making ordinary Russians insecure, giving Russian nationalists fodder for
their arguments in favor of "protecting Russians abroad" or "creating a
Russian Nation" or whatever.
I've given a bunch of hypotheticals here, and some may think I've gone
a little overboard, but these are a few of the possibile ramifications
of opening the can of worms that is the altering of Russian borders.
Where does that leave the Chechens? Screwed. I'm not happy about that,
but I fear the consequences of the other path.
Happy Orthodox Boxing Day!
Ian Wiinikka
Note: The opinions stated above are the author's own. They in no way
reflect the opinions of his department or organization.
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:22:14 -0600
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From: Tracy E Doe <tdoe@BADLANDS.NODAK.EDU>
On Tue, 10 Jan 1995, Burta Wilk wrote:
What claims, legally speaking, does the Russian government have
to Chechnya? The media (in the US) makes this appear to be a
civil war, but it appears to me that Russia's has no more claim
on Chechnya than it does to Ukrane, Poland, France, or any other
sovereign nation.
According to Zbignew Brezinski, the relationship between Chechnya and
Russia is no different than the US and Vermont. He believes that since
the US would never stand for Vermont seceding hence Russia has every
right to prevent Chechnya from doing the same. I don't agree mainly
because Chechnya is culturally, religiously and politically distinct
whereas the states of the US are homogeneous. In essence, if Vermont
seceded it would be seceding from itself. What's the point. Chechnya, due
to its diversity should be allowed to sustain and develop its own unique
existence as a sovereign state.
Regards,
TD
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:45:35 -0500
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From: Arthur Sederquist <arthur@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU>
Tracy Doe wrote 10 Jan 1995:
I don't agree mainly
because Chechnya is culturally, religiously and politically distinct
whereas the states of the US are homogeneous. In essence, if Vermont
seceded it would be seceding from itself. What's the point. Chechnya, due
to its diversity should be allowed to sustain and develop its own unique
existence as a sovereign state.
I agree. I also support the people of Quebec in their efforts to become
politically distinct. The US military would also I bet.
Art
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:17:44 -0500
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From: Paul Steeves <STEEVES@SUVAX1.STETSON.EDU>
What claims does Russia have to Chechnya? Plenty. The north Caucasus
region was brought under Russian control last century, after an extended
and bloody campaign. So Chechnya has been a part of Russia for over a
hundred years.
But from a legal
standpoint (definitely not a moral standpoint) Russia can make a strong
claim for retaining Chechnya
Well, I suppose the question is what makes it legal? Is it the
passage of a certain amount of time (since last century)? Is there
a difference between Russia's claim to Chechnya and the US
claim to some specific Indian territory? What analogies
to American history are legitimate? FM Kozyrev likened Yeltsin
to Lincoln: is that an accurate analogy? Is Chechnya like
the Confederacy? Or is it more like a hypothetical case
of an Indian nation in the Dakotas declaring independence?
Or is it more like Puerto Rico, as I read in NYTimes (I think)
yesterday? Can any helpful analogy be identified?
And if the borders of Russia can be altered, making Russia smaller, might
they not be altered to make Russia larger? The northern and eastern
portion of Kazakhstan is dominated by ethnic Russians, and the Crimean
Peninsula is about 70% Russian (it was a part of the Russian Federation
until 1954). A change in Russia's borders making Russia smaller risks
making ordinary Russians insecure, giving Russian nationalists fodder for
their arguments in favor of "protecting Russians abroad" or "
creating a Russian Nation" or whatever.
This seems to be a very substantial point and I would like to
hear responses. One possible approach based on it (from
a Russian nationalist point of view) would be for Russia
to say to Chechnya--OK, we'll consent to change the borders.
That sets a precedent for recovery of, say, Crimea.
Paul Steeves
Stetson University
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